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XLVI. Vaines pr\u00e9tentions des sujets sortis de la Congr\u00e9gation touchant les v\u0153ux<\/b><\/b><\/b><\/b><\/h2>\n

\"logocm\"<\/a>Des personnes m\u00e9contentes de leur vocation et qui sortaient de la Compagnie, pour calmer leur conscience au sujet des v\u0153ux qu\u2019ils y avaient faits, avaient toujours recours ou \u00e0 l\u2019autorit\u00e9 des \u00e9v\u00eaques, lesquels, apr\u00e8s les avoir dispens\u00e9s, <\/b>les retenaient dans leur dioc\u00e8se et leur donnaient m\u00eame des b\u00e9n\u00e9fices, ou \u00e0 l\u2019indulgence des jubil\u00e9s accord\u00e9s par les papes \u00e0 leur av\u00e8nement au pontificat, selon la coutume. M. Le Lasseur, dont on a parl\u00e9 ci-devant, fut dispens\u00e9 et plac\u00e9 avantageusement par Mgr de Lisieux, son \u00e9v\u00eaque ; ce qui fit du bruit. On craignit dans la Compagnie que de tels sentiments n\u2019\u00e9branlassent peu \u00e0 peu. On a vu que d\u00e8s le commencement on avait eu de la peine au sujet des v\u0153ux, d\u00e9clar\u00e9s indispensables, m\u00eame en vertu des jubil\u00e9s. Cette pr\u00e9tention ne laissa pas de se renouveler \u00e0 l\u2019occasion du jubil\u00e9 que fit publier le pape Innocent XI, en 1683, au sujet du prodigieux armement fait le Turc contre les chr\u00e9tiens, et \u00e9tant ensuite entr\u00e9 \u00e0 main arm\u00e9e en Allemagne et avaient mis le si\u00e8ge devant Vienne.<\/p>\n

Pour lors M. Jolly crut devoir \u00e9crire une lettre circulaire \u00e0 la Compagnie ; <\/b>elle est dat\u00e9e du 2 janvier 1684, et dit : Quoique par les brefs du pape Alexandre VII, du 2 septembre 1655, et Cl\u00e9ment X, du 25 juin 1670, il soit port\u00e9 que nos v\u0153ux sont tellement r\u00e9serv\u00e9s au Pape et au sup\u00e9rieur g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, que nul autre ne pourrait tenter en quelque mani\u00e8re et occasion que ce soit, et qu\u2019avant que de faire les v\u0153ux on donne \u00e0 lire et \u00e0 bien comprendre lesdits brefs \u00e0 tout le monde, il s\u2019en est pourtant encore trouv\u00e9 parmi nous, quoiqu\u2019en petit nombre, qui ont cru qu\u2019on pouvait les commuer ou dispenser en temps de jubil\u00e9, fond\u00e9s sur certaines expressions de ces bulles, qui semblent donner quelque couleur et appui \u00e0 leur pr\u00e9tention. Donc, pour pr\u00e9venir le mal qui pourrait arriver de l\u00e0, nous avons estim\u00e9, \u00e0 l\u2019occasion du pr\u00e9sent jubil\u00e9, qu\u2019il serait utile de faire lire en chaque maison lesdits brefs et <\/b>bien remarquer ensuite que notre Congr\u00e9gation avait suppli\u00e9 le pape Cl\u00e9ment X de d\u00e9clarer l\u2019intention du St.-Si\u00e8ge sur ce point. S[a] S[aintet\u00e9] ayant fait examiner par les cardinaux de la Congr\u00e9gation du concile de Trente et d\u2019autres personnes intelligentes en ces mati\u00e8res, a r\u00e9pondu qu\u2019on n\u2019avait pu et qu\u2019on ne pouvait ni validement ni licitement dispenser ni commuer nos v\u0153ux en vertu d\u2019aucune bulle du jubil\u00e9, autres privil\u00e8ges ou concessions, \u00e0 moins qu\u2019il n\u2019en soit fait mention expresse. Le pape Alexandre VII a fait la r\u00e8gle et la loi \u00e0 ce sujet ; Cl\u00e9ment X l\u2019a confirm\u00e9e et n\u2019a laiss\u00e9 aucun lieu de contester en ce point, et il para\u00eet \u00e9vident par les brefs des deux Papes quelle est l\u2019intention du Saint Si\u00e8ge. Ainsi ce qu\u2019ont d\u00e9clar\u00e9 ces Souverains Pontifes \u00e9tant faits avec connaissance des m\u00eames clauses du jubil\u00e9, sur lesquelles on se fonde <\/b>et qui sont rapport\u00e9es dans nos brefs, de pr\u00e9tendre le contraire, ce serait aller contre le bon sens ; et nous avons sujet d\u2019esp\u00e9rer que si, comme je l\u2019ai dit, on lit attentivement ces brefs, cela suffira pour pr\u00e9venir toute erreur en ceci et emp\u00eacher qu\u2019une personne tent\u00e9e ne se trompe et trompe un confesseur externe qui ne conna\u00eet pas nos engagements, et ne se flatte dans la croyance d\u2019\u00eatre dispens\u00e9e, demeurant li\u00e9e apr\u00e8s ladite dispense tout comme elle \u00e9tait auparavant.<\/p>\n

Cette pr\u00e9tention de quelques particuliers se renouvela encore, et M. Jolly crut, apr\u00e8s l\u2019assembl\u00e9e de 1692, devoir de nous apporter un autre rem\u00e8de. Certaines personnes peut-\u00eatre \u00e9tant de cette opinion qu\u2019en France on n\u2019a pas tant d\u2019\u00e9gard en ce point aux brefs apostoliques qui restreignent ainsi le pouvoir <\/b>des \u00e9v\u00eaques, et ensuite par l\u2019usage prescrivent contre eux, pour ne pas pouvoir dans la suite faire des choses qu\u2019ils pouvaient auparavant. On fit donc examiner cette mati\u00e8re en Sorbonne, o\u00f9 l\u2019on pr\u00e9sume que les docteurs savent bien les usages de France, et qu\u2019on n\u2019y a pas des sentiments ultramontains. On en obtint une c\u00e9l\u00e8bre r\u00e9solution par \u00e9crit, sign\u00e9e de 17 docteurs, tous c\u00e9l\u00e8bres par leur savoir, les uns cur\u00e9s, les autres professeurs en th\u00e9ologie, et on la fit imprimer pour l\u2019envoyer aux maisons.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Avis de la Sorbonne sur les v\u0153ux Elle commence d\u2019abord en faisant une br\u00e8ve narration de l\u2019\u00e9rection de la Compagnie par la bulle du St.-Si\u00e8ge, l\u2019introduction des v\u0153ux simples, et puis de la susdite pr\u00e9tention de quelques particuliers des deux ans de probation qui pr\u00e9c\u00e8dent les v\u0153ux, o\u00f9 on\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans "Histoire de la Congr\u00e9gation de la Mission"","block_context":{"text":"Histoire de la Congr\u00e9gation de la Mission","link":"https:\/\/vincentians.com\/fr\/category\/histoire-de-la-congregation-de-la-mission\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/histoire-generale-de-la-congregation-de-la-mission.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/histoire-generale-de-la-congregation-de-la-mission.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/histoire-generale-de-la-congregation-de-la-mission.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/histoire-generale-de-la-congregation-de-la-mission.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/histoire-generale-de-la-congregation-de-la-mission.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":54377,"url":"https:\/\/vincentians.com\/fr\/difference-entre-nous-et-les-religieux-notre-secularite-et-notre-exemption\/","url_meta":{"origin":108223,"position":1},"title":"Difference entre nous et les religieux, notre secularit\u00e9 et notre exemption","author":"Francisco Javier Fern\u00e1ndez Chento","date":"21\/12\/2012","format":false,"excerpt":"Au cours du temps, la vie et la profession des \u00ab conseils \u00e9van\u00adg\u00e9liques prennent des formes canoniques vari\u00e9es. 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