{"id":104301,"date":"2016-10-04T04:00:31","date_gmt":"2016-10-04T02:00:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/vincentiens.org\/?p=104301"},"modified":"2016-08-11T21:45:41","modified_gmt":"2016-08-11T19:45:41","slug":"frederic-ozanam-lettre-0024-a-auguste-materne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vincentians.com\/fr\/frederic-ozanam-lettre-0024-a-auguste-materne\/","title":{"rendered":"Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Ozanam, Lettre 0024. A Auguste Materne"},"content":{"rendered":"

Ozanam invite Materne \u00e0 se d\u00e9gager des id\u00e9es partisanes et \u00e0 r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir \u00e0 la valeur de la civilisation m\u00e9di\u00e9vale.<\/em><\/p>\n

Lyon, 24 d\u00e9cembre 1830.<\/em><\/p>\n

Tu seras probablement surpris, mon cher Materne, que, malgr\u00e9 tes remarques, ma pi\u00e8ce de po\u00e9sie ait paru dans L’Abeille<\/span>1<\/sup><\/a><\/span>. Je t’avouerai que je ne l’ai pas moins \u00e9t\u00e9, en ne trouvant sur mon cahier que des notes politiques l\u00e0 o\u00f9 j’attendais critique litt\u00e9raire.<\/p>\n

Tu traites bien s\u00e9v\u00e8rement une \u00e9poque que des savants fort distingu\u00e9s appellent l’\u00e2ge h\u00e9ro\u00efque de la France. Moi, je n’ai pas le tems d’entrer l\u00e0-dessus en longue discussion, mais je t’engage \u00e0 m\u00e9diter sur les questions suivantes :<\/p>\n

1\u00b0 La Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 est-elle soumise \u00e0 une loi providentielle? Cet axiome : le pr\u00e9sent est gros de l’avenir, est-il faux? Est-il permis par cons\u00e9quent, en bonne philosophie, de renier une \u00e9poque et de se mettre \u00e0 genoux devant une autre?<\/p>\n

2\u00b0 Sans les Croisades, y e\u00fbt-il eu affranchissement des Communes? Sans l’affranchissement des communes, un Tiers-Etat? Sans Tiers-Etat, un 89?<\/p>\n

3\u00b0 Quelle est en fait l’appr\u00e9ciation de la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 au Moyen-Age? N’y avait-il point de science parmi les clercs, d’h\u00e9ro\u00efsme parmi les chevaliers, de bonne foi parmi les villains?<\/p>\n

4\u00b0 Ce qu’on a appel\u00e9 fanatisme ne serait-il pas force de volont\u00e9, par cons\u00e9quent vertu? Y avait-il plus ou moins de g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9 chez nos chevaliers que chez les Romains? Les villains \u00e9taient-ils aussi pressur\u00e9s que les ilotes de Sparte la libre, et les esclaves de Rome la r\u00e9publicaine? Les Gerson, les Abeillard, les B\u00e8de, les St Bonaventure, les Thibaut de Champagne, les Joinville, les Froissart, \u00e9taient-ils des vandales?<\/p>\n

5\u00b0 Les troubadours \u00e9taient-ils plus libertins que Voltaire, Rousseau, Parni? les nobles, plus immoraux et impurs que Mirabeau, les rois et les seigneurs, plus barbares que M. Robespierre?<\/p>\n

6\u00b0 Le gouvernement f\u00e9odal n’\u00e9tait-il pas n\u00e9cessaire \u00e0 une certaine \u00e9poque et peut-on dire que l’Europe enti\u00e8re se trompa en se constituant sous ce r\u00e9gime?<\/p>\n

7\u00b0 Quelle est la valeur de la Religion comme \u00e9l\u00e9ment social? Si jadis il eut trop d’empire, \u00e0 dater de 89 n’en e\u00fbt il pas trop peu? Quelle est la valeur de l’industrie? Si jadis elle en eut trop peu, n’en aurait-elle pas trop maintenant et ne sommes-nous pas dans une v\u00e9ritable Argyrocratie?<\/p>\n

8\u00b0 N’y avait-il pas autant de patriotisme dans Bayard, Clisson, Du\u00adguesclin, Dunois, La Tr\u00e9mouille, etc… que dans Dumouriez, Joubert, etc… Y eut-il dans le Moyen-Age des crimes comparables \u00e0 ceux de 93, dont 89 \u00e9tait la veille? Voir pour ces questions Guizot, Dubos, Cousin, Casimir Lavigne, \u00e9p\u00eetre \u00e0 Lamartine.<\/p>\n

Enfin je voudrais que tu te demandasses \u00e0 toi-m\u00eame :<\/p>\n

Si ton esprit jeune, pur, plein d’enthousiasme ne se laisse pas entra\u00eener \u00e0 l’intol\u00e9rance?<\/p>\n

Si la lecture des journaux d’un seul parti ne peut pas contribuer \u00e0 cet entra\u00eenement?<\/p>\n

Si cette lecture m\u00eame ne peut pas devenir funeste \u00e0 ta religion, en te montrant toujours les moines comme des brutes, les pr\u00eatres comme des fanatiques, les hommes pieux comme des hypocrites? etc…<\/p>\n

S’il ne te conviendrait pas d’apporter \u00e0 cette lecture un peu plus de d\u00e9fiance et de dire quelquefois : Pourquoi?<\/p>\n

Pour moi j’ai vu avec peine, du moins j’ai cru voir que ces journaux t’inspiraient de l’aigreur, des soup\u00e7ons souvent injustes sur les hommes d’un parti qui n’est pas le tien (ni pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment le mien). Je t’ai parl\u00e9 avec franchise, sicut amicus ad amicum. <\/em>Que ceci ne te f\u00e2che point contre moi, mais au contraire r\u00e9fl\u00e9chis froidement et sais-moi gr\u00e9 de t’avoir donn\u00e9 des conseils que tu peux ne pas croire bons, mais que j’ai crus tels. Adieu, mon excellent ami; tout \u00e0 toi pour toujours.<\/p>\n

OZANAM.<\/p>\n

Original : Archives Laporte.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Ce bavard d'Ozanam a la langue si longue que, ne pouvant causer avec ses amis absents, il veut toujours les ennuyer de ses assommants propos! \u00bb Ainsi disait\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans "Lettres de Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Ozanam"","block_context":{"text":"Lettres de Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Ozanam","link":"https:\/\/vincentians.com\/fr\/category\/lettres-de-frederic-ozanam\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/cartas-federico-ozanam.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/cartas-federico-ozanam.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/cartas-federico-ozanam.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/cartas-federico-ozanam.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/vincentians.com\/fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2016\/07\/cartas-federico-ozanam.jpg?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":104296,"url":"https:\/\/vincentians.com\/fr\/frederic-ozanam-lettre-0014-a-auguste-materne\/","url_meta":{"origin":104301,"position":2},"title":"Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Ozanam, Lettre 0014. 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